WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:10.000 So, I'm so happy to be with you this afternoon. 00:10.000 --> 00:20.000 I'm Maria Deltae, I'm from Dinum, and I'm Maria as a few. 00:20.000 --> 00:22.000 So, I'm the program. 00:22.000 --> 00:27.000 I'm talking on behalf of Emma from the same team, 00:27.000 --> 00:31.000 because she's in another meeting. 00:31.000 --> 00:34.000 But I'm so happy to share with you. 00:34.000 --> 00:39.000 Let's say this journey that we started up. 00:43.000 --> 00:45.000 Okay. 00:45.000 --> 00:47.000 Yes. 00:47.000 --> 00:51.000 This journey we started a few years ago 00:51.000 --> 00:55.000 with some other member states. 00:56.000 --> 01:04.000 A different set of products, let's say, for public agents. 01:04.000 --> 01:07.000 And this collaboration, 01:07.000 --> 01:14.000 rooted first in a will and vision. 01:14.000 --> 01:21.000 It's first it was just to use the best 01:21.000 --> 01:27.000 or to use open tools for public administrations. 01:27.000 --> 01:31.000 And that is a spoiler here. 01:31.000 --> 01:35.000 The way we did that is snow, 01:35.000 --> 01:39.000 it's no special recipe. 01:39.000 --> 01:42.000 We tried to use what has been used before. 01:42.000 --> 01:44.000 So, we did some hackathon. 01:44.000 --> 01:50.000 But of course, we had some beautiful recipe. 01:50.000 --> 01:53.000 And of course, all along this journey, 01:53.000 --> 01:58.000 we had some questions altogether in each country 01:58.000 --> 02:03.000 and in each team working on these products. 02:03.000 --> 02:06.000 So, it started in 2023. 02:06.000 --> 02:12.000 So, in fact, we started to work on different building blocks 02:12.000 --> 02:17.000 for different tools, digital tools. 02:17.000 --> 02:23.000 And from the start, we had in mind that it's a pity to share 02:23.000 --> 02:26.000 and to co-develop this product on the international stage. 02:26.000 --> 02:30.000 We could do it, of course, at the European stage. 02:30.000 --> 02:36.000 So, we started to talk with other member states 02:36.000 --> 02:40.000 to find if we can find some friends. 02:40.000 --> 02:42.000 To co-develop this product. 02:42.000 --> 02:45.000 And when we say co-develop, 02:45.000 --> 02:49.000 it's not just to export the code on the gate. 02:49.000 --> 02:54.000 It's to go hands-on to develop the code all together 02:54.000 --> 03:00.000 and to get and to end up with better tools. 03:00.000 --> 03:04.000 So, the strategy has mentioned before. 03:04.000 --> 03:08.000 First, and it's like we did for, 03:08.000 --> 03:12.000 when we have to join some consortia, 03:12.000 --> 03:15.000 a European consortia, when we answer easy calls, 03:15.000 --> 03:18.000 for example, to get some sounds. 03:18.000 --> 03:21.000 The first thing is to find and to the aesthetic partners. 03:21.000 --> 03:25.000 So, you can just say two different member states, 03:25.000 --> 03:27.000 all team, all one Europe. 03:27.000 --> 03:31.000 Okay, please join us and we do some good products. 03:31.000 --> 03:39.000 What we need to find first is people very motivated to develop these tools. 03:39.000 --> 03:45.000 Then, of course, find and at that stage in 2023, 03:45.000 --> 03:49.000 it was only through a U, of course, 03:49.000 --> 03:52.000 the funding from the different administration, 03:52.000 --> 03:59.000 but also funding through the U, the European Commission. 04:00.000 --> 04:05.000 Then, it's, of course, set previously its equation of teams. 04:05.000 --> 04:09.000 So, we had to also collaborate with different people with different schemes, 04:09.000 --> 04:14.000 not only policymaker, one side, and develop other on the others, 04:14.000 --> 04:16.000 or everybody in the same room. 04:16.000 --> 04:21.000 And, of course, also to promote this collaboration 04:21.000 --> 04:24.000 to spread the word and say everybody, 04:24.000 --> 04:26.000 okay, we are working all together. 04:26.000 --> 04:28.000 If you want to come, please join. 04:28.000 --> 04:33.000 So, that's what we started with Germany in 2024, 04:33.000 --> 04:39.000 and then the Netherlands joined in 2024, 2025. 04:39.000 --> 04:43.000 And, we could say, wow, that's easy. 04:43.000 --> 04:46.000 In fact, it's not that easy. 04:46.000 --> 04:49.000 And, guess what? 04:49.000 --> 04:54.000 Because we are three, we still have three member states, 04:55.000 --> 04:58.000 but three countries with different culture, 04:58.000 --> 05:00.000 with different organisations, 05:00.000 --> 05:04.000 with different ways of thinking about what's a public administration, 05:04.000 --> 05:09.000 how it works, different ways to farm these type of products. 05:09.000 --> 05:14.000 So, of course, we learned a lot in that journey, 05:14.000 --> 05:17.000 and we are still learning. 05:18.000 --> 05:21.000 And we, but we, what we, 05:21.000 --> 05:24.000 the takeaway we have today, we can have today, 05:24.000 --> 05:28.000 that we, what we learned is very powerful, 05:28.000 --> 05:31.000 and we will be very happy to share what we, 05:31.000 --> 05:36.000 and we are very happy to share what we learned out of that. 05:36.000 --> 05:41.000 So, one, I talked about the hackathons and meetings, 05:41.000 --> 05:44.000 and so on and so forth, but, of course, 05:44.000 --> 05:52.000 it's, it's no magic into that. 05:52.000 --> 05:56.000 We started with hackathons and meetings, 05:56.000 --> 06:01.000 because what we figured out is that the first thing is to, 06:01.000 --> 06:04.000 it's better that we have people in the same room developing, 06:04.000 --> 06:09.000 that have people everywhere else doing videos and so on and so forth. 06:09.000 --> 06:13.000 So, the best way, that's what we found is to have, 06:14.000 --> 06:16.000 everybody in the same room. 06:16.000 --> 06:21.000 So, that's what we did through many hackathons 06:21.000 --> 06:26.000 and some meetups in different, in the three different countries. 06:26.000 --> 06:33.000 And we, in order to keep the pace of developing the different tools, 06:33.000 --> 06:37.000 we had some, at the beginning of, let's say, the beginning of the year, 06:37.000 --> 06:41.000 we had some clear objectives in, 06:41.000 --> 06:47.000 in terms of challenge, let's say challenge, different ways to develop the products. 06:47.000 --> 06:55.000 And after a few months, we have the results of what the team did all together 06:55.000 --> 06:58.000 on these different challenges. 06:58.000 --> 07:03.000 And we could communicate on that through hackathons 07:03.000 --> 07:10.000 and share it with the community of other people interested into that. 07:11.000 --> 07:14.000 So, right, code together in different countries. 07:14.000 --> 07:16.000 So, that's an expression of, 07:16.000 --> 07:21.000 a few what's happened in Paris last year. 07:21.000 --> 07:25.000 Yes, it was in 2025, yes. 07:25.000 --> 07:30.000 So, we brought the people from the different teams, 07:30.000 --> 07:33.000 from the Dutch and the German teams. 07:33.000 --> 07:36.000 And we, okay. 07:36.000 --> 07:41.000 And we also invited a lot of other type of actors. 07:41.000 --> 07:50.000 I mean, academics, students, small companies, other administrations, of course. 07:50.000 --> 07:56.000 And we had 53 teams in that hackathons. 07:56.000 --> 08:02.000 So, that's quite a lot from different countries, 17 countries. 08:03.000 --> 08:08.000 And we brought to that hackathons what the different teams did until then. 08:08.000 --> 08:12.000 And share the code and say, if you can improve that, 08:12.000 --> 08:20.000 or think about something that could be of interest for you, please do it. 08:20.000 --> 08:28.000 So, in that three days, the teams did some different products out of these code. 08:28.000 --> 08:42.000 And so, it was very, we learned a lot as well from all what was built through this type of events. 08:42.000 --> 08:55.000 But, for anything, I talked about culture, the difficulty of communicating or synchronizing between the teams, 08:56.000 --> 09:04.000 in terms of culture, for example, when we had some meal altogether, 09:04.000 --> 09:14.000 we figured out that the French forgot to order beers for the two other teams from Germany and the Netherlands. 09:14.000 --> 09:19.000 So, it was a big mistake, and I'm sorry for that, guys. 09:26.000 --> 09:31.000 So, these challenges, which, in previous year, we called that 100-day challenge, 09:31.000 --> 09:39.000 because we thought that it was easy to develop these different tools in 100 days. 09:39.000 --> 09:45.000 I am, we are taking here an example of one of these products, which is called Docs. 09:45.000 --> 09:49.000 It's a collaborative text editor. 09:49.000 --> 09:56.000 We, the different teams from the different countries worked on that, on that break, 09:56.000 --> 10:07.000 and we out of this first break, they did real, real new layers of code, 10:07.000 --> 10:15.000 improved the product, and what we figured out is that in each country, 10:15.000 --> 10:19.000 they, of course, they use the same, the same first layer of code, 10:19.000 --> 10:23.000 but they built on it with their needs, their own needs. 10:23.000 --> 10:28.000 But, the good thing that everyone used the same source, 10:28.000 --> 10:37.000 so, it was very, it was with also, it was being used in each public administration. 10:37.000 --> 10:44.000 So, we had users in front of the product, so it was a real, very, very good achievement. 10:44.000 --> 10:55.000 So, that's an example of Docs, and one of the features that I've been improved are there. 10:55.000 --> 11:06.000 So, what's worked in that, let's say, two, a bit more than two years of collaboration with these two countries, 11:06.000 --> 11:14.000 what we, we, we can share with you now is that these, let's say, these four, 11:14.000 --> 11:22.000 these four learnings, and I would like to invite first Alexander, please, please, please, 11:22.000 --> 11:28.000 Alexander and Boris, Boris from the Netherlands, Alex from Germany. 11:28.000 --> 11:35.000 So, they, we are, you have here, the three partners working on these products, 11:35.000 --> 11:41.000 and please, I, can you share with us about the first learning? 11:41.000 --> 11:46.000 We, oh, yes. 11:46.000 --> 11:48.000 Oh, yes. 11:48.000 --> 11:50.000 Sorry. 11:50.000 --> 11:51.000 Cool. 11:51.000 --> 11:52.000 I don't take this if you. 11:53.000 --> 12:00.000 I think what, what we see with the approach in regards to bottom-up worked much better than the top-down approach 12:00.000 --> 12:08.000 is actually a question which we always try to solve, but haven't solved yet is the 100-day challenges. 12:08.000 --> 12:13.000 It's a title, but we still haven't figured out who's actually investing 100 days, 12:13.000 --> 12:19.000 whether it's all three partners, all together, every partner, is it each challenge or anything else, 12:19.000 --> 12:25.000 but it's really interesting, and I think it's the freedom that we are being given, and that's the importance of the topic, 12:25.000 --> 12:35.000 but at the same time also, the, some sort of, like, the trust into the teams that we actually built and we are building products and results, 12:35.000 --> 12:40.000 and that's something that is super unusual whenever you have an international corporation between governments, 12:40.000 --> 12:46.000 usually you have paper and signatures, but we actually have code, and it's really nice to see that as an outcome. 12:47.000 --> 12:57.000 And the code is a, and code is a universal language, which unites the different nations, and it's really nice to see that. 12:57.000 --> 13:05.000 Thanks, Alex. Boris, can you maybe add some, have a few words about how governance at several levels, 13:05.000 --> 13:12.000 did you all do the wula within within these few months? 13:12.000 --> 13:21.000 I think that we're doing something really new, and I think all of us hadn't really realized this before we got started, 13:21.000 --> 13:27.000 that starting a new open source, like international treaty organization, is a completely noble concept, 13:27.000 --> 13:36.000 and with that we are really, yeah, building the future, and that also really means that a lot of very difficult questions about governance, 13:37.000 --> 13:50.000 or why governance, and how to do that come up right now, and we, we need to remember that building that governance and building it well, 13:50.000 --> 13:55.000 in a way that we are all inviting off each other, is really a part of that process as well, 13:55.000 --> 14:00.000 and it is not the, the sexy work that our bosses want to shine with on the podium, 14:00.000 --> 14:08.000 but it is very important, and I'm very happy to have such competent peers to build this with, 14:08.000 --> 14:12.000 and that is really valuable for us internally as well. 14:12.000 --> 14:14.000 Thanks, thanks very much. 14:14.000 --> 14:23.000 The two others point that we already mentioned that that's first, we started, of course, with some EU money and the money from each member states, 14:23.000 --> 14:35.000 but we are still working at, or finding new ways to, to make it sustainable in each country and at another European level, 14:35.000 --> 14:43.000 and maybe you already attended the different, talk this morning about the EU tech fund and so on and so forth. 14:44.000 --> 14:54.000 And also, that's something that, in France, we, we experienced through another, and as a consortium called Gofftech for all, 14:54.000 --> 15:03.000 we also had the, the permission to pivot, it was not the case with, well, it's maybe at some point, it's been, it's been the case, 15:03.000 --> 15:10.000 but, in the relationship with the, with the ECE, through Gofftech for all, through that consortium, 15:10.000 --> 15:18.000 we figured out that the, the, the C was able to understand that, when the pilots come to, or, products, 15:18.000 --> 15:28.000 doesn't really feed, or relationship between the, when, when the different partners are not totally aligned on one type of product, 15:28.000 --> 15:37.000 we can move on, pivot and do something here that could, make the different partners agreed or, on it. 15:37.000 --> 15:41.000 So that's, that's also an important learning. 15:41.000 --> 15:50.000 So, but, okay, we learned something, but we need to have to, to do other things better. 15:51.000 --> 15:59.000 So, we, we, we, we think that, of course, we, we put into the same room different type of skills people, 15:59.000 --> 16:11.000 but I think we think that, we, we, we, we, we need to to find other ways to gather all these people and to share the same level of culture, let's say. 16:11.000 --> 16:21.000 Uh, we also have to, to, uh, have better, uh, KPIs, let's say, or, a ways to, uh, 16:21.000 --> 16:26.000 uh, deliver the product with, with, uh, with the, uh, with the right deadline and impact, 16:26.000 --> 16:38.000 and then, of course, keep a certain distance in order to leave the people in the room work with the sites, kind of, uh, yes. 16:38.000 --> 16:45.300 Uh, where, where, where we, uh, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, um, uh, uh, um, uh, um, uh, um, uh, uh, uh um, uh, uh, um, uh, uh, um, uh, uh, 16:45.300 --> 16:52.020 uh, uh, uh uh, uh Maleamidae. To, uh, to be at some point, not to close to the. 16:52.020 --> 16:58.940 uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh- Tok, Toks that 16:58.940 --> 17:06.000 downloaded by the, uh, uh-uh, uh, uh, uh-uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, um, uh, uh- uh, uh, uh, uh, um uh, uh uh, uh. 17:06.000 --> 17:13.120 So based on that, we did some cooking on different products. 17:13.120 --> 17:21.280 We learned a lot of cross-border public production. 17:21.280 --> 17:25.360 But as I tried to share with those money, 17:25.360 --> 17:31.200 we had some difficulties, but we also find ways to overcome them. 17:31.200 --> 17:39.520 So please, it's open to anyone to share and bring something and get all what we did. 17:39.520 --> 17:44.080 So please join. 17:44.080 --> 17:45.600 Question? 17:45.600 --> 17:47.120 Yep. 18:01.200 --> 18:21.760 Okay, if I can rephrase it, do you do we consider that the 18:21.760 --> 18:27.920 edict is going to bring more unity to what the different 18:27.920 --> 18:35.280 in terms of communication, let's say, or at least bring to the community 18:35.280 --> 18:40.640 to instead of the communication heard until now, 18:40.640 --> 18:42.880 into about last week or other two. 18:42.880 --> 18:44.480 Am I correct in that? 18:44.480 --> 18:55.520 Okay, yes, the edict, as you know, is a vehicle that has been set 18:55.520 --> 18:58.560 by by the European Commission. 18:58.560 --> 19:04.960 Today, we, four countries, I mean, friends, 19:04.960 --> 19:09.280 yeah, friends, Germany and the Netherlands and Italy now, 19:09.280 --> 19:17.760 I involved into it, and that vehicle is supposed to bring that unity 19:17.760 --> 19:20.960 and to communicate about that, as you should know, 19:20.960 --> 19:29.600 today the structure has been set up, but we are waiting for that now, 19:29.600 --> 19:34.240 people into the structure to work on that and to communicate on that unity. 19:34.240 --> 19:38.960 So hopefully within the next few weeks, let's say, 19:38.960 --> 19:44.720 we'll have more clearer communication about that. 19:44.720 --> 19:45.520 Yes? 19:45.520 --> 19:52.800 I just answered the question on the basis of some of the context. 19:52.800 --> 19:57.920 The product you're building, are they based on certain political business needs 19:57.920 --> 20:01.680 that are being fed to you, or are you just doing the book, 20:01.680 --> 20:05.520 and you hope you have been living in the neighborhood, home, or in 20:05.520 --> 20:07.520 the neighborhood? 20:07.520 --> 20:09.520 Sorry. 20:09.520 --> 20:15.520 Do we use our special doctors? 20:15.520 --> 20:23.120 Oh, the customers that they'll use us today are mainly 20:23.120 --> 20:29.200 public administration, I mean public agents, 20:29.200 --> 20:32.640 public agents in the Netherlands, in Germany and in France, 20:32.640 --> 20:38.640 and sorry if you want to intervene in the next about maybe the previous question. 20:38.640 --> 20:39.600 Okay, Emily. 20:39.600 --> 20:41.440 Maybe to answer both. 20:41.440 --> 20:44.640 First one, we learn also in regards to what we are building, 20:44.640 --> 20:48.480 and one of the challenges for this year is actually to remove the forks, 20:48.480 --> 20:54.240 which we built through adapting the different tools in regards to, for example, 20:54.240 --> 21:01.200 Docs and that's we can open this because we see that we created a fast result, 21:01.200 --> 21:03.200 but maybe not the cleanest one. 21:03.200 --> 21:07.200 In regards to how we create requests and everything, I think it's, 21:07.200 --> 21:14.240 we try to establish the idea of a community also within the public institutions that we have. 21:14.240 --> 21:19.200 It's a complete new idea in regards to having a community not only based on open source, 21:19.200 --> 21:23.200 but also by opinions and requests that are being built. 21:23.200 --> 21:29.200 And what's really cool is that whatever we are building is always upstream within the products, which we are supporting. 21:29.200 --> 21:35.200 Yeah, shoot, shoot, we stands up. 21:35.200 --> 21:37.200 Times up, sorry. 21:37.200 --> 21:39.200 But we can talk about that in the core. 21:39.200 --> 21:41.200 Thank you very much.